Mildly Thriving

Third Spaces and Other Endangered Species

Season 1 Episode 42

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 On this episode of Mildly Thriving Meredith and Kimberly discuss the lost art of the “third space” - aka the places we used to exist that weren’t work, home, or doom-scrolling in bed. You know, those places you had as a child but have since forgotten about? We’re talking coffee shops, malls, skating rinks, bookstores, parks, and that one friend’s house where everyone somehow ended up after school. Why are third spaces disappearing? Why does adulthood suddenly make hanging out feel like a scheduled business meeting? And why does everything cost $18 now?
We unpack why these spaces actually matter for community, mental health, friendship, and feeling like a person instead of a productivity robot. Plus, we share the third spaces we grew up with, the weird social ecosystems of childhood, and practical ideas for finding new ones as adults…even if you’re socially rusty or allergic to small talk. Come for the nostalgia, stay for the accidental sociology lecture.

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SPEAKER_03

Welcome to Mildly Thriving. I'm Kimberly. And I'm Merrick.

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Now let's dive into this week's episode. Hi Meredith.

SPEAKER_02

Hi, Kimberly. How are you doing? I'm good. How are you? I am exhausted.

SPEAKER_00

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02

Me too.

SPEAKER_03

Tell me. Tell me, what are we talking about today?

SPEAKER_02

We're gonna talk about third spaces. Ooh. I've been really excited about this one. Thank you. Um, I've been excited about this topic. My first question: what was your third space growing up? Like as a kid. Why you look at me like that as if as if it's not a thing? Do you want me to tell you mine?

SPEAKER_03

No, it is. I just don't know that I had a third space. Like there was school, maybe friends' houses. I don't I mean Yeah. Friends houses are are a third space.

SPEAKER_02

Just like the space you spent your free time. I mean, it didn't have to be it didn't have to cost money. It like just somewhere other than I guess as a kid it would be other than school or home. Right.

SPEAKER_03

I was gonna be like school, and that that's second. Yeah. Um well I grew up in a slightly small town city. Did you hang out at the library? Did you go to the mall? Library was way too far. We didn't have a mall. Friends' basement. Um, yeah, I mean, we rode our bikes a lot. There was a park that we would hang out in after school some days, but um so when you were hanging out with your friends, was it like different places or like the park or someone's house? We usually went to their house and then in the summer we would go down to the river. There weren't business access to like businesses, the library was too far away. Um friends' houses are an option. Kind of boring. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02

That's my that's what it's not boring. Uh it's a this is supposed to prompt memories. That's fine. Uh maybe something will come to mind. I had different ones because my parents were divorced and lived in different places. Um, my dad lived in a bigger city but lived out in the middle of nowhere. And so when he was at work, our third space was the mall because he worked in the mall. And so we often wandered around the mall. Um, I could probably tell you how long hours. I could probably tell you almost every store. So if my dad was at work, we were wandering around the mall. But if we were at home, we spent all of our time outside or in our neighbors' houses. So there was like a group of us in the neighborhood that all hung out together, and we all had like bikes, or the guys had dirt bikes, or some of us had four-wheelers, and there was like we lived kind of down by the edge of a lake, and we would like drive off into the trails in the middle of nowhere, and we hung out at this place that we called the pit, and it was just like basically like a homemade little dirt bike track. That that's just like we get home from school. What are you guys doing? You want to go down to the pit? Oh, that kind of makes me sad. We didn't I didn't have a a pit. Sounds really sounds really appealing, doesn't it? Yeah. Well, my dad was very much uh if it if it's nice outside, you're gonna be outside. Like we're not watching TV, like everybody's gonna be active and doing something, which I'm thankful for now at the time. We were like, oh, it's so hot outside. Why are you making us do this for that? Then at my mom's house, when we were younger, it was uh the park local parks and rec and they had a roller skating rink, and that's what my brother and I would do for hours after school and on weekends. Like we were regulars there, they knew us by name. We'd come check in, get our skates, and skate all day. I remember the songs that they played. Like I I still remember the employee that was there, actually, two of them, but yeah, we lived on have you looked up the employees on Facebook? I'm friends with both of them on Facebook.

SPEAKER_03

Oh my god, that's so sweet.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that was when we were younger, though. I would say once we got into high school, it was a small town and the options were limited. So there's a specific person's house I can think of that we went to all the time uh to hang out. And I mean, as far as my mom knew, I was hanging out at my friend Monica's house.

SPEAKER_03

Monica.

SPEAKER_02

But we were at Monica's boyfriend's house most of the time. Oh my mom knows this now, but at the time. Love you, mom.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I feel like we just didn't really have any. I mean, I guess we did have the library, but my mom worked at the library, yeah. And like she would complain about the kids that hung out at the library because like the kids that hung out at the library kind of just had nowhere else to go. Yep. And they were like always up to no good. And I like I wasn't necessarily up to no good.

SPEAKER_02

Kimberly, I don't think you've ever been up to no good, and I think that's okay. Well, never mind, that could be a topic for another time. Um I think third spaces maybe for us as kids came out of like finding something to do with your friends or just like having a place to hang out. But I think for a lot of kids, it was like that whatever form of babysitting our parents chose. Because I mean, at the time, like, you know, the 90s, like, I mean, my mom would be at work, and us going to the roller skating rink was like a way for her to take a break, which I get.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. And for me, it was anything that was like accessible on bike. So, like, and we lived close to the river, and in the summer, you could swim and you could spend all day on the river. And then as we got cars, like our third space was definitely the beach. And like, I think I got up every day and went to the beach, and then I would go to work.

SPEAKER_02

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_03

So man, yeah. But you needed, I needed a vehicle. I was very dependent on a vehicle.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. And I did like I was that friend in school that didn't have a vehicle or a driver's license. So I was the one that everybody drove around, and I also live the furthest out. So I'm sure everybody loved you. Everyone loved me. Yeah. It was all my fault. I didn't choose this. Uh, in case we didn't make it clear on what a third space is, for those of you who don't know, it's any it's any place that you spend a good amount of time that's not home.

SPEAKER_03

School So home would be your first space. Yes. And school and work would be your second, and then third space is like a third place that you where you casually exist. Yeah.

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Or socialize with friends. For a lot of people, it's what? Like church. Oh my god, I'm such a horrible person. I didn't even think of that.

SPEAKER_03

Community, like a coffee shop comes to mind as for me as a third space.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, a bar. But third spaces are different as a kid, like we've established, than they are as an adult. And like even between being a young kid and being in high school, they were different. But now I think third spaces are just as important, but I don't think we have them as much anymore.

SPEAKER_03

And that's I totally agree.

SPEAKER_02

Kind of what I want to talk about is like third spaces uh why we think they're they're going away. Why don't you think we have as many now?

SPEAKER_03

Um, I think that there's a couple things. I think people don't go to church as much, and I think that was a big third space for a lot of people. I think people are less involved in the community. Your third space being a place where you don't have to spend money is unlikely. When I lived alone and worked from home, I would take the afternoon and walk to a coffee shop, but it was within walking distance. You have to buy something. Yep. And I mean that that really adds up. And yep. There's no free. I mean, I guess you could go to the park, but like again, where we are in the Pacific Northwest, like that's a three-season type thing.

SPEAKER_02

And you're not necessarily meeting people. Yeah, maybe two. But you're not necessarily meeting people. There's not the same social aspect as like going to a park. I think a big component of a third space is being able to socialize with people. So if a park is your third space, it needs to be more like you and I deciding to go to the park every Thursday. Or like the like the Tacoma Women's Walk that we keep like sharing on Instagram. Like I think we never go to. I know. Because we're busy. No, like, well, and that's another thing. We can come back to that. Um I think that that's an example of a third space, like an outdoor third space, but that's very intentional, and somebody's like created this group, and anybody who wants to go can go. I think also life is different now. Like we overfucking commit ourselves all the time. The culture is different, like the working culture is different now. And I think it depends on the person and the field that you're in. But you know, for people who are working shift work or like on call, sometimes you don't get to turn work off. And or like people in corporate jobs who are just putting in as many hours as they can, not everybody's doing a strict Monday through Friday, eight to five. When you are off, you are off and you have that time to yourself. And I'm speaking from a place of understanding because I've very, very rarely worked a job that's just Monday through Friday, eight to five. Um, yeah, everything costs money going to the skating rink growing up. Like the only thing we had to have was like a dollar bill in our pocket because we'd get a snack out of the vending machine and that's it. Did you have to pay to go? I think my mom had to pay five bucks or something, but it was like the entire day we could stay there.

SPEAKER_03

So this makes me think of this documentary that I watched recently. It's called Join or Die. Have you seen it?

SPEAKER_02

No, but it sounds familiar. Either we've talked about it or I've heard it somewhere else.

SPEAKER_03

I think I've talked about it before, and they talk about how important it is for people to be members of their community and how people don't join clubs anymore. Like even the Elks and the Rotary Club. The Rotary Club. Like I joined the Junior League, yeah. Um, which was a good way to like meet people. Um, it's great to be active in the community and make an impact, but it's also just another form of work. But in this documentary, it talks about why people are not more involved. And there's a few reasons, but their big thing that they were saying was the rise of television. I do have on my list social media. They're talking about you don't have to leave your house to know what's going on in the world.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Um, with the invention of the television and and that. And now it's gotten worse because you have like a 24-hour news cycle and you're constantly being bombarded with information. But I also want to say that the fact that women have joined the workforce and the majority of families are dual income and you know, both people work. Well, you know who volunteers is people who aren't in the workforce and people who are retired. It's to add another commitment when you've already got all of this stuff going on and a day job is kind of a lot.

SPEAKER_02

I I agree. I take it a step further with the the TV um and mix in social media and you kind of have this false social life. Like totally with having TV shows that you watch or following people on Instagram and just watching reels. If you don't pay attention enough, that feels like social activity temporarily. And then before you know it, a week has passed and you haven't left your fucking apartment.

SPEAKER_03

Well, and that's how you stay, you know, you stay abreast of abreast. You know what's going on in people's lives um and your community. So you don't have to chat to them anymore. You don't have to talk to them. You don't have to, you know, you don't have to leave your house to kind of know what's going on. And then all of a sudden you go, well, why am I so lonely?

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Like because it's this false sense of socialization. It's like, oh, but I saw what you were doing last week, even if I wasn't there. To go back to the point we've made about our our group chat, like sometimes we're all struggling and we need some social interaction, but nobody's willing to speak up because you know, we're busy and it's like, oh, well, I don't like I don't know what's going on with them. I don't want to, I don't want to bother them. If they wanted to hang out with me, they'd ask. But that's right.

SPEAKER_03

And then the other aspect of that is you reach out and you're like, hey, like I could really use some like friend time, and everyone's like, okay, well, um, you know, we can all get together six months from now. Um, every everyone's so busy, and it's like you have to plan everything out. And then it just feels, I don't know. It's like, well, what I need right now is to connect with my friends. That happened to me this week where I reached out to a friend and I was like, hey, you want to get together this week? And she's like, Oh, I can't, but I'm free Saturday. I was like, Well, I'm out of town on Saturday. And, you know, she's and then she's going out of town, and it's like, okay, well, we can do this in in like three or four weeks. And honestly, it'll probably be July before we actually get together again.

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I sympathize and I wish I didn't, but like, and I can't even blame it on having a long-distance relationship because my schedule was just as busy. That's just, you know, that's just another thing. Like before that happened, I filled my time with just as much shit. So I don't know. This kind of goes back to the same vein of the the slumber party is I feel like there has to be an event to hang out with people. You have to create something. I can't just be like, Can I come over and watch TV?

SPEAKER_03

You can come over and watch TV. I know. The likelihood of being like, hey, is anybody free tonight?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, pretty much. I'm so guilty of just coming home and being exhausted and just being like, the second I hit that couch, I'm not fucking moving. Yeah. I d because I don't want to think about anything else. But now I, you know, in order to make myself do it, sometimes it's just something I have to plan. I have to put on the calendar. And then you have to plan it.

SPEAKER_03

Plans like weigh you down and take out that spontaneity of like just calling a friend and being like, hey, you wanna like go for a walk? You wanna do a thing? It's also like everybody lives so far away. Is that what it is? I don't I don't I do think that that contributes to it.

SPEAKER_00

I don't know for me, you do kind of live in BFE for suburbia. Yeah, believe me. I it feels like BFE.

SPEAKER_02

But boat guy's friends, like he tells me often, like random Fridays, he's got a group of guy friends that'll just be like, anybody up for getting drinks tonight? Or like if they're going through something, like, hey, I really need to like get out of the house. Can we all go out and get drinks tonight? And it's very much a low pressure, like, sorry, I've got something going on, I'll get you next time, or can't do it today, but I can do it tomorrow. They're constantly doing that. And I don't do that as often as I should. I do like, I feel like when I'm feeling that way, my go-to is to ask Amy to go to trivia with me. And and it it is an easy, low pressure thing. And if she doesn't want to go, she doesn't want to go, and totally fine sitting on the couch, but I like I don't know. We have another friend that lives two seconds away, and I can just be like, hey, what are you doing tonight? And I still don't. So what's wrong with me?

SPEAKER_03

There's anything wrong with you. I think that's I think there's probably an element of fear of rejection, of like, yeah, putting myself out there, and then you've like, it's almost like you have to like work yourself up to do that thing of like, I want to do this. I want to go and get a coffee right now. And you're like, who wants to come with me?

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And then you know, you finally worked yourself up, and if no one wants to go, it's like, well, fuck. Next time I'm just not gonna work myself up, and then in case in case I get let down. Even though we should just go by ourselves, but we don't, and I'm fully guilty of that. I just I wanna, I wanna do that more. I wanna have more free time.

SPEAKER_03

I want then stop planning things. But then if you don't plan anything, then you don't leave and you don't want to like do the spont spontaneity thing. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

I yeah, I don't often feel like I have the time to do the spontaneity thing. Like, yeah, there are some weeks where it's just like, well sh and shit, how do you fit working out in there? Like, fuck. What what are people doing? Anybody give me your schedule? Because like I don't know. I can barely fit eating into my schedule these days. And then there's some people who have children.

SPEAKER_03

Fuck off and die. Like, I can't I I don't feel that. I I'm just jealous.

SPEAKER_02

Like, why can I not be that? Yeah, sorry, that was aggressive. I just mean like, how are you doing it? Are you magic? Because these bags, these bags are just from me.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. And a dog. I am married to someone who like he'll be like, I did this and I did this and I did this today, and I did this, and I submitted this and I did that, and I'm like, I took 20 minutes to get my shoes on today.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And even that was hard. I brushed my teeth, which is sometimes a feat. Like, fuck.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Shouldn't be, but you know, the mental gymnastics I have to do. I yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And then there's other days when you're medicated and you're like, yeah, I can I can paint two bedrooms, floor to ceiling, and a bathroom, and the laundry room, and I think that's it.

SPEAKER_02

That that's enough. That's more than a good thing. I did work on the hallway a little bit. You did a great job. I I haven't missed my meds for over a week. And I will say it is what has gotten me through. It's what got me through today. I like today was rough, but I was very productive. I've been on top of top of things. Was I in the best mood? No, but I made it through just fine. Um did I snap at everyone? Yes. Maybe. Did I come home and want to cry for just a second and then thought, put your big girl panties on? It's okay. This is temporary, and you're gonna look back on these days and be sad. So just enjoy the things that you have in your life. And here we are, and we're doing it, mildly thriving or not. Mildly thriving or fucking really thriving. Definitely down here, but it's okay. So I have a question about your topic, the third space. Oh, you mean that thing we're supposed to be talking about? Yeah, before we like went what?

SPEAKER_00

Where am I? Okay, continue.

SPEAKER_03

Um do you have like information like why people don't have third spaces? Or like how how should I have a third space?

SPEAKER_02

I mean, you should. Socialization is important. No, if you don't want to do it, then just why make yourself miserable? Um, I do. Um, I already mentioned some of them. Um I think what a bar. Wait, what reason I mentioned some of the reasons why they don't anymore. Um, remote work was uh another one that contributed to the decline of third spaces because again, like remote work, social media, it's really easy to get lost in just being in your own world. And um video games, that is kind of like having a third space, but on the internet. And I'm not saying that that's that's bad. Like you're still being social, but that has that has replaced a physical third space. Um, but I do have some some just the tips if you want to bring back that. I like it. Thanks. Oh my god, I sound like a goose. Uh first one on the list uh is a trivia night. Cause it's me. And it's great. Um, a lot of bars do trivias, usually during a happy hour time, so makes it less money. Um if you consistently win, you can do. What I did with my friends in Colorado Springs, and just we'd win a gift card, and then we'd use the gift card next week to buy all of our shit, and then we'd play again. And then you'd win again. Sometimes. Not every time. Wow. Uh but it was worth it. Um or you just like eat dinner before you go and then have a couple beers, and like, so you're out 20 bucks. Not terrible, but um most places do them on like Tuesdays, Wednesdays, or Thursdays, especially around here. And uh if you're in a big city, there's usually 40 places on different days that have options of trivia nights and all run by different companies. So highly suggest if that's something that you're into. Uh we talked about solo dates. You can do it.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

How many solo dates have I gone on? I don't know. There's still time. I'm gonna read my book. Go read your book in a coffee shop. That's another option. Local coffee shop routine. You get to give yourself a little treat in the form of coffee, which is or whatever you choose, which is relatively cheap compared to other options. You can sit for as long as you want, you have free Wi-Fi, and you can people watch. It's like being at the airport, but better. Because you don't have to go through TSA. Um, coffee shop was on the list, walking club was on the list. So Tacoma, Girl Walk. Somebody's out there doing it, which I think is impressive. Running club could also be on the list. It's not. Um, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

But those aren't technically third spaces, those are like community involvement type things. Uh the walk? Yeah, because like they do it in different places, or like a running club isn't necessarily in the same.

SPEAKER_02

But you're still meeting up with the same group. There's an element to it.

SPEAKER_03

So when you say third space, I think, and maybe this is the wrong perception, but I hear that it's a place that you go that like you know some of the people that are there. So, like you go to the library, you see people who are regulars there, and you, you know, you're not necessarily going because you're involved, you're going because that's a place that you hang out. Or if you go to a coffee shop, you see the same baristas and you see the same people who come at the same time. Like I did make a friend when I was going to a coffee shop regularly when I worked from home. And um, we would just sit and chit-chat for a little while.

SPEAKER_02

I do, I do think you're right. I think this kind of bends the definition a little bit, but it still gives it the consistency of meeting up with the same people to do the same activity.

SPEAKER_03

So maybe it's not the place, it's the like community involvement that gives you exposure to people in your community.

SPEAKER_02

Yes. I think that's the the thing I'm trying to get out of it. I think the location can be a factor if you're picking a specific place. Because bar is on the list, like becoming a regular at a bar it or it what I have on the list is becoming a regular somewhere. I think of it as a bar. You could be a regular at a coffee shop. Um, there is a sandwich shop, coffee place in Tacoma where there's like a bunch of board games that people can play. Um, so like I pick like there are other places like your local bookstore, libraries, because like they offer a lot more community events than you would probably think, but like book readings or like a hobby class, like like a local art center that like puts on different classes. That could be that could be an option. I realize again, this is kind of a push, but it is still the same location. It doesn't, it just doesn't have the same social aspect. Farmers markets. Like, yeah, I feel like if you were actively trying to shop at a farmer's market weekly because that's how you do your meal prep schedule, then you're gonna see the same people, you're probably gonna shop from the same people, they'll probably be familiar with you. You might not be like making friends, but you might bring people along, but you could go by yourself too.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Well, and I think it depends on the person. Like if you're super outgoing and you can make friends anywhere, then sure, you can make friends at a farmer's market. Some of us, no. Same.

SPEAKER_02

My dad could have talked to a fucking brick wall and would have made friends at a farmer's market, and boat guy could do it too. I like so I ha those are the places that I had in mind, but uh I have a prompt. I'm curious what your answer might be, to like help you figure out what you think your third space could be. So if money was no object and anxiety was no object, where would you spend your free time?

SPEAKER_03

I think I'd do um probably a coffee shop. I think I'd do pickleball. Oh yeah, I didn't think about pickleball.

SPEAKER_02

If it wasn't that didn't even cross my mind. If money was no object and I wasn't scared of putting myself out there and having to get my ass kicked by a bunch of old people, I'd be doing pickleball at least once a week.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I had forgotten about pickleball. Yeah, that would be a fun one. I would do that. To me, I imagine a third space being a place that you go more than once a week. Yes, I imagine being, you know, you go a couple times a week. And for me, the most logical thing would be like a coffee shop.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Like I'm not really drinking right now, so it's like, okay, coffee.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I still I mean, I still think of a coffee shop over a bar, personally. I like, you know, I like the idea of getting to relax in a in a place that I like. And you can maybe be social, maybe keep to yourself, maybe read, maybe catch up on things.

SPEAKER_03

Like there's you know what's a thing that we didn't mention? What? Is like private clubs. Uh oh, like a country club. Yeah, like a country club or Tacoma has like the Tacoma Tennis Club. And they have like a pool. And I remember looking at one point of like, well, I wonder, like maybe I'll join. And then I I think I looked at the price and I was like, I will not be joining. Yeah. Um, having something like that would be would be kind of cool. Oh, a gym is another.

SPEAKER_02

I was just about to say we also forgot gym because like again, it costs money, but I like there are plenty of people that go to the gym on the same days. Uh yoga class. Like I I was, you know, I've started to talk to like some of the yoga teachers at the classes that I've gone to, and like that that can also be a thing if you're consistently going.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I think the problem is that I don't talk to people when I go to these things.

SPEAKER_02

Here's the thing neither do I. They talk to me. But nobody ever talks to me. Well, maybe if you get that fucking look off of your face. Kidding. Yeah, that's not the look. If that was the look on your face, I would approach you immediately. That's the look. So I just have resting bitch face. That look says, do not come near me. I know, but that's just my face. Kind of is you you were intimidating the first time I met you.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, okay. I'm just scared on the inside.

SPEAKER_02

I know. You're like you're like a chihuahua.

SPEAKER_03

I'm way bigger than a chihuahua.

SPEAKER_02

Well, that wasn't the part of the chihuahua that I was thinking about. It's the personality. You're your bark is bigger than your bite. But I don't bark a lot. Even then, you don't bark a lot. I really did think you were gonna be proud of me um yelling out the hotel window this weekend. Take your shirt off, book eye. I was like, I don't want to take credit for this because it wasn't my idea. Because he did laugh and I was like, it is funny, but I'm not funny. Kimberly's funny. Yeah, that's that's cool. I'm glad that it's spreading around. Yeah, it's maybe people will actually start taking their shirts off. None yet. No takers. They get a little weird about it. And it's like meh. Sorry that we think you're nice and attractive. Speaking of taking your shirts off, please go watch off campus on Amazon Prime because I tried. Oh, I loved it. Loved it. It wasn't very good. Wait, which uh did you just do episode one? Yeah. And I was like, this is bad. I'm not gonna watch it. It was really douchey. Episode one was a little douchey. I think I man, I'm gonna be that person. You gotta give it more than one episode. As meredith. I hate that. I hate that. I hate that I'm being that. I hate it so much, but it was good. Anyways, um, that's what I've been doing in my limited to none free time. Uh but that's it. That's all I had. Um, uh, bring back third spaces and let's be social again.

SPEAKER_03

I would love to hear what our listeners, like what their third space is.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I really do uh so I do like the prompt. Like, if money were no object and you no anxiety, where would you choose?

SPEAKER_03

Or what is your third space? I was gonna say, or what are you doing now? We we might be the weird ones because we don't have a third space, and everyone else is like, oh, my third space is whatever, and we're gonna find out that we're losers. Running club.

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Could it well, could it also be like I know a lot of people that go to music festivals, and I mean I realize it's not the same space, but like it's the same group of people that go to location. Okay. I tried. Anyways, let us know. Tell us on Instagram or TikTok or Facebook or on the the message thing on Spotify and Apple podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts these days these days.

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Oh, Jesus fuck.

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Was this episode a reminder that mildly thriving is thriving enough, or was it a reminder that like we shouldn't be thriving trying to thrive more?

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Little column A, little column B, and I'll tell you why. We're both exhausted, we both have a lot going on, and we still showed up today because we're out here.

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Isn't this our third space? Is our podcast our third space? It could be. I like that. But then we have to like make it a community thing where we get people physically together.

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Well, high in the sky dreams one day. One day. Yes. So, you know, we're mildly thriving on a day-to-day basis, today especially. But this is us striving to be more than mildly thriving. Yeah. We just just need to be 51% over mildly.

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Amen. And that's it.

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All right.

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That's it on that note.

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Okay, we gotta say it, we gotta say it. Okay, okay.

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And that episode is a great reminder that mildly thriving is thriving enough. Okay, bye. Okay, bye.